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diricawl
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Posted - 03/18/2008 :  04:24:12  Show Profile Send diricawl a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article1873119.ece

Either that, or there aren't a lot of HP fans in Newcastle.

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sunsethill
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Posted - 03/18/2008 :  16:55:02  Show Profile  Visit sunsethill's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I want to think that that story was a parody, Diri. But I suspect it may have some validity. I would have never believed it until we had a family of red-heads join our church recently. The oldest girl who is 10 has received quite a bit of taunting at school--so much so that they homeschooled her for a year. She is back in school now and the taunting has started up again.

Maybe Jo created the Weasleys to try to help the situation.

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Jokelly
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Posted - 03/18/2008 :  23:20:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is weird. Really? Anti-ginger. Does the U.K. really have this problem? I've seen it on this board before, but it's just really odd. We have race problems in the U.S. but I've never heard of hair color problems. My family has a few red-heads and I don't remember anyone being teased, other than the occassional carrot-top, about it.

Sunsethill, I've never heard of this problem in the U.S.?

Besides the Weasleys, one of my other favorite fictional characters is a red-head/ginger...Anne Shirley. Of course, she did hate her hair. But it is one of my favorite series of books.


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Siobhan
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Posted - 03/19/2008 :  10:22:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With all the rotten jokes about dumb blondes, I'm not really surprised at red-head bias. Other groups that have been bashed over the years have started to stand up for themselves and made overt mistreatment of those particular groups unacceptable. This is just the latest transfer.

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sunsethill
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Posted - 03/19/2008 :  13:40:23  Show Profile  Visit sunsethill's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Sunsethill, I've never heard of this problem in the U.S.?

I was really surprised, too, Jo. I don't think it is terribly wide-spread, but this family didn't seem to find it unusual that children frequently criticized their daughter for her red hair. We were at a skating rink birthday party and this boy about 10 came up to the girl and said "Your hair is ugly and that spot on your face is ugly and you're ugly." Total stranger. I have never really heard of anything like it. It was very sad that this little 10-year-old apparently deals with this somewhat often.

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diricawl
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Posted - 03/19/2008 :  16:52:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With so many convenient blacks and Jews around, racialist-inclined Americans really are spoiled for choice. In the UK the field is narrower. Most of our ethnic minorities live in big cities, so people have to look elsewhere for others to hate.

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Maybe Jo created the Weasleys to try to help the situation.



Yep.

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There are also many superstitions associated with redheaded people and most state that they are in some way unlucky (Judas Escariot was supposedly red-haired), but this is nonsense; I happen to like red hair as well as weasels.



That wasn't parody, Sunsethill, but this is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUhLIjlTNSk

By the way "ginger" (hard first "g"; rhymes with "ringer") is a convenient hairist slur.

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sunsethill
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Posted - 03/20/2008 :  14:22:56  Show Profile  Visit sunsethill's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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With so many convenient blacks and Jews around, racialist-inclined Americans really are spoiled for choice. In the UK the field is narrower. Most of our ethnic minorities live in big cities, so people have to look elsewhere for others to hate...

By the way "ginger" (hard first "g"; rhymes with "ringer") is a convenient hairist slur.

I knew that there were lots of ethnic minorities in the UK, but hadn't thought about the fact that most were in cities. So the folks in Newcastle don't have as much choice for discrimination as those in the cities, eh? That is pretty similar to the US, actually. Yes, there is racial hatred in the South, but it is actually less according to some blacks than it is up in the large Northern cities with their large heterogeneous populations.

And I would never have guessed at the correct pronunciation of "ginger"--not that I need to know the proper way to pronounce such a slur.

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Bee
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Posted - 03/20/2008 :  17:12:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As a former redhead (it darkened with age and is now a reddish-brown), and a relative/friend of many redheads, I've never really come across any... hairism (Is that what we're calling it?). But then, red hair isn't that uncommon in Ireland, so if anyone tried any of that ginger-minger nonsense, they'd probably get their arses kicked. Strength in numbers and all that. I do think boys tend to get teased more than girls though, but I've never heard any of my male cousins complain about it. Some say the whole anti-ginger thing in Britain is a throw-back to anti-Irish sentiment in the 19th century, but I don't know about that. Whatever the reason, it's pretty crazy stuff. I hadn't realised some Americans feel the same - I thought they loved red hair over there!

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Jokelly
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Posted - 03/20/2008 :  22:33:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some of us do, Bee. I'd take a real life Weasley anyday.

I've never seen ginger discrimination, but as to racial discrimination, I've also heard it's actually worse in the North. Supposedly we're more closeted about it, which is probably true.

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Bee
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Posted - 03/21/2008 :  09:25:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good for you, Jo! We're in danger of extinction, so we need all the support we can get!

I'm definitely getting red highlights once I can afford to - I really miss having properly red hair. People used to fawn over it so much back when it was brighter. Whenever I meet anybody I haven't seen in years they always ask what happened to my lovely hair. *sniffle* Having red hair has never been anything put positive for me - go redheads!

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Mad-Eye Moody

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Posted - 03/21/2008 :  13:07:36  Show Profile  Visit admin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Southpark had an entire episod devoted to this; they guys got even with Carttman by sneaking in and dying his hair red and painting freckles on his face.
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Posted - 03/26/2008 :  18:33:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
for your viewing pleasure: http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/911/Ginger-Kids.html


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