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devika
Giddy

USA
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Posted - 07/21/2007 :  18:12:29  Show Profile  Send devika an AOL message  Click to see devika's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
*tear* i just finished the book half a hour ago...

i'm so sad
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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2007 :  21:23:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well Slushy, I'm half way through and completely unnerved and distraught. I'll be finished tonight so at least we can commiserate.


And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.

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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2007 :  23:19:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay Slushy, I'm back and ready to party!

To Harry Potter! Our Hero!

*Raises a butterbeer*

Whoops - we lost count.

Forty bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Forty bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around

Thirty-nine bottles of butterbeer on the wall.




And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.


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dobbygirl
Barmy

USA
300 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  05:16:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
*sobs as she raises a butterbeer*

To Dobby, who died a free house-elf

Thirty-nine bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-nine bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around
Thirty-nine bottles of butterbeer on the wall.

*sobs*

And Snape is still a nasty, underhanded slimeball! He chose the dark arts over his friendship with Lily.

Proud member of SINUS

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Myf
Confunded

571 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  08:04:42  Show Profile  Visit Myf's Homepage  Click to see Myf's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I agree. I still don't like Snape. I think I admire his courage (and you can see now exactly why having Harry shout 'Coward!' at him at the end of HBP would have made him lose it completely) but I don't like him.

If you're looking for trouble you found it.
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Posted - 07/22/2007 :  09:48:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dobbygirl
And Snape is still a nasty, underhanded slimeball! He chose the dark arts over his friendship with Lily.



You betcha! I still don't like him at all and refuse to think of him as a hero, but at least he did a few good things, and paid for his mistakes. The snake doing him in will suffice as a fitting punishment, I think.

(And I don't care if Harry did name his kid after him, he was still stinking awful.)

*raises butterbeer*

To Dobby
To Kreacher
To Harry, Ron, and Hermione and all the DA!
To all our heroes!


Thirty-eight bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-eight bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around
Thirty-seven bottles of butterbeer on the wall.

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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  12:21:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To Olivander, tough bastard that he was/is! Surviving that much abuse at his age deserves a toast, even if Harry still isn't sure he likes him.

*Toasts*

Thirty-seven bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-seven bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around
Thirty-six bottles of butterbeer on the wall.

*chugs*


And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.


Edited by - AMC on 07/22/2007 12:22:11
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Starling
Confunded

United Kingdom
701 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  12:52:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To Fred!
To multicoloured werewolf babies!
To Harry!
To Dobby!
And to Snape, because I wouldn't wish a life like that on anybody.

Thirty-six bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-six bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around
Thirty-five bottles of butterbeer on the wall.

I wuv multicoloured werewolf puppies.
"When Mister Safety Catch Is Not On, Mister Crossbow Is Not Your Friend."
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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  13:19:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thought you'd love hair color-changing Teddie, Martje! I thought of you immediately.

While we're at it - to Alberforth! He came through in the end.

Thirty-five bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-five bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around
Thirty-four bottles of butterbeer on the wall.


And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.

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Bee
Mediwizard

846 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  14:23:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Myf

I agree. I still don't like Snape. I think I admire his courage (and you can see now exactly why having Harry shout 'Coward!' at him at the end of HBP would have made him lose it completely) but I don't like him.



My thoughts exactly.

I only finished half an hour ago so I'm still a bit traumatised and in serious need of booze.

Mmmm. *swigs*

To Neville! Action Hero!

Thirty-five bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-five bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around
Thirty-four bottles of butterbeer on the wall.

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n/a
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1483 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  14:42:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To Minerva and her Attack Tables! CHARGE!

Thirty-four bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-fpir bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around
Thirty-three bottles of butterbeer on the wall.
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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  15:23:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Attack tables! ROFL - that's such a great image, one of the best.

To Molly, Chubby Mother of all Avengers!

*drinks deeply*

Thirty-three bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-three bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around
Thirty-two bottles of butterbeer on the wall.


You know the whole Snape thing didn't faze me - yeah, he loved Lily, blah-de-blah. Big surprise. He was still a rotter to so many of the students who could have used help. He encouraged the rivalry and hatred that resulted in the tragic division of Slytherin from the other Houses. And all this nastiness occurred when he had no real idea if the Dark Lord would ever rise again so it can't really be excused as him keeping his cover. He was a nasty, underhanded slimeball who loved one person greatly (although not enough to make better decisions when it came to his friends or his life.. or his words). Glad he had something decent in his personal make-up and history, that's about the extent of it.


And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.


Edited by - AMC on 07/22/2007 15:25:40
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Starling
Confunded

United Kingdom
701 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  15:26:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He was a nasty, underhanded slimeball, but the fact is, that he could have told Dumbledore to bog off and retired to a cosy little retreat in the mountains, bemoaning his lovely Lily, and he didn't.

I wuv multicoloured werewolf puppies.
"When Mister Safety Catch Is Not On, Mister Crossbow Is Not Your Friend."
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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  15:38:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
True - we can certainly add dedication and bravery to his list of positive attributes. But truly - since he made his big mistake with Lily through his hasty temper and nasty tongue, don't you suppose he could have matured a little and not used them so often on his students?

He couldn't really have retired to his cosy retreat in the mountains. He could have left Hogwarts but - why? He needed a job like anyone else and Hogwarts was a comfortable gig. And once Voldy returned he had no choice but to be back in the game, one way or the other. He certainly could have decided not to try to make up for his part in Lily's death and he didn't - good for him. But it still astonishes me how his devotion was so one-sided - why didn't he feel remorse for his part in James's death? Because he was really only concerned about Lily - the girl he loved. It's almost more like an obsession gone bad than true remorse for mis-deeds.


And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.


Edited by - AMC on 07/22/2007 15:39:21
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Starling
Confunded

United Kingdom
701 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  15:40:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, well, there was more than one occasion that I wanted to slap Harry-the-obsessive.

I wuv multicoloured werewolf puppies.
"When Mister Safety Catch Is Not On, Mister Crossbow Is Not Your Friend."
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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  16:12:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Too true. Obsession is ugly, no matter who it infects.


And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.

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Theowyn
Looney

1078 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  16:24:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AMC
And all this nastiness occurred when he had no real idea if the Dark Lord would ever rise again so it can't really be excused as him keeping his cover.
Actually that's not true. The night the Potters died DD told him that LV would be back and that Harry would be in terrible danger. He agreed then to protect Harry. What amazes me is that he kept true to his word despite how much he hated Harry who was after all a constant reminder that James had had what he himself had not.

As for maturing, when Phineas called Hermione a Mudblood, Snape yelled at him, "Do not use that word!" So at least he learned something along the way. Like DD, he outgrew his misguided belief that purebloods were superior to Muggleborns.

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"Always"

Edited by - Theowyn on 07/22/2007 16:25:36
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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  16:54:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah - he learned something.. eventually! But I still don't believe that tormenting Neville or taunting Hermione and doing his best to flunk Harry can fall under the heading of keeping his cover with the Dark Lord - who might or might not rise again at some undetermined point. Nor feeding the rivalry between the Houses.

I really am pissed that the Slytherins all excused themselves for the Battle at Hogwarts. That is so against the whole message of "inclusiveness" JKR was supposedly giving. Okay - include the House Elves on the side of good but those damn Slytherins are all just evil? I don't get it - I mean, Slughorn stayed but his entire House deserted?





And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.

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Theowyn
Looney

1078 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  17:18:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AMC

Yeah - he learned something.. eventually! But I still don't believe that tormenting Neville or taunting Hermione and doing his best to flunk Harry can fall under the heading of keeping his cover with the Dark Lord - who might or might not rise again at some undetermined point. Nor feeding the rivalry between the Houses.
Nah, he was just being mean, though I suppose his guilt did feed into that.

quote:
I really am pissed that the Slytherins all excused themselves for the Battle at Hogwarts. That is so against the whole message of "inclusiveness" JKR was supposedly giving. Okay - include the House Elves on the side of good but those damn Slytherins are all just evil? I don't get it - I mean, Slughorn stayed but his entire House deserted?

I was incredibly disappointed by that and by the epilogue where little Al is just HORRIFIED at the prospect of being sorted into Slytherin. Sheesh! Harry should have started a bit earlier teaching ALL of his kids that Slytherins are as brave and decent as anyone else. I'll slap Ron too, while I'm at it.

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s.i.n.e. qua non

"Always"

Edited by - Theowyn on 07/22/2007 17:20:01
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Posted - 07/22/2007 :  19:38:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What's this, serious conversation? Have we given up on the butterbeer song?

To little Albus Severus, for having to put up with such an incredibly barfy name!

*hoists butterbeer*

Thirty-two bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-two bottles of beer
Take one down, pass it around
Thirty-one bottles of butterbeer on the wall.


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dobbygirl
Barmy

USA
300 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  20:32:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
*hoists butterbeer*

To Mad-Eye! Fallen, but not forgotten!

Thirty-one bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty-one bottles of beer!
Take one down, pass it around

Thirty bottles of butterbeer on the wall.

Speaking of bad names...Ronald Bilius Weasley? Yuck.

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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2007 :  23:30:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Makes one.. Billious.

To Kreacher! He was pretty awesome once he got over the guilt. Can you imagine this - I'm drinking to Kreacher!

Thirty bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Thirty bottles of beer!
Take one down, pass it around

Twenty-nine bottles of butterbeer on the wall.


And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.

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Theowyn
Looney

1078 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2007 :  00:32:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, I'll drink to Kreacher too! Hear hear!

Twenty-nine bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Twenty-nine bottles of beer!
Take one down, pass it around

Twenty-eight bottles of butterbeer on the wall.

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s.i.n.e. qua non

"Always"

Edited by - Theowyn on 07/23/2007 00:34:38
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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2007 :  10:59:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To Teddy Lupin - poor kid. Let's hope Victoire is nice as well as good looking.

Twenty-eight bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Twenty-eight bottles of beer!
Take one down, pass it around

Twenty-seven bottles of butterbeer on the wall.


I really must stop drinking and get to work.


And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.

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Posted - 07/23/2007 :  16:14:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, SINUS members, it's time to rally the troops. Snape-lurve is once again threatening to inundate fandom in waves of ooey-gooey overkill. SINUS is needed now more than ever. Let it not be forgotten that even if Severus Snape was sometimes acting on the side of good, he was still a deeply horrible, mean-spirited man who bullied children and showed compassion to none but his obsessive childhood love. Yes, we can pity him. Yes, we can acknowledge that he did something good in the end. And yes, we can even feel that he has atoned for his sins and gone on to a better place. But we can never forget that he was a still a nasty, underhanded slimeball who was a terrible teacher and made life miserable for many a Hogwarts student, for no reason other than his own perversity. Greasy Git.

*raises glass*

To SINUS!

Twenty-seven bottles of butterbeer on the wall
Twenty-seven bottles of beer!
Take one down, pass it around

Twenty-six bottles of butterbeer on the wall.

*kicks ottoman*

(Well, he didn't do anything for my mother!)


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dobbygirl
Barmy

USA
300 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2007 :  19:00:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
TO SINUS!!!

Twenty-six bottles of butterbeer on the wall.
Twenty-six bottles of beer!
Take one down, pass it around


Twenty-five bottles of butterbeer on the wall!


You know, while waiting in line for my book, there was a guy there who said, "No matter what Snape does in this book, he's still and unredeemable b@stard." I cheered.

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AMC
Mediwizard

1710 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2007 :  20:03:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, indeedy. I didn't really care about Snape's tale per se but as I was reading I was inwardly groaning over the depth of pathos every Snape lover will pour into it. Poooooooor Nasty, Awful Snape! He lost his one love by calling her unforgiveable names and hanging around with sadists and villains. He turned an innocent family over to confirmed killers for execution and then regretted it when he realized it was she who would be murdered and not just some other blameless mother. He did penance being an accessory to a double-murder by trying to keep other people from murdering her son. But he took out his anger at this unfair situation on the people who had the least to do with it - the children who were barely born while he played spy for the forces of evil. Gosh, he is just Sooooo to be pitied!

At least we're all sane here (and fun too!)

TO SINUS!!!

Twenty-five bottles of butterbeer on the wall.
Twenty-five bottles of beer!
Take one down, pass it around

Twenty-four bottles of butterbeer on the wall!


And I love you, I love you, I love you.
Like never before, like never before.


Edited by - AMC on 07/23/2007 20:06:17
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Posted - 07/23/2007 :  20:33:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Brilliant, AMC! That brought a tear to my eye! *sniffs*

To all of Snape's innocent victims! You are not forgotten!

Twenty-four bottles of butterbeer on the wall.
Twenty-four bottles of beer!
Take one down, pass it around

Twenty-three bottles of butterbeer on the wall!



Edited by - n/a on 07/23/2007 20:34:13
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Jokelly
Barking

USA
1509 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2007 :  10:26:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I haven't read any posts yet. I finished last night but just couldn't post last night. *pushes butterbeer away from her and withdraws a flask of firewhiskey*

Cheers

*downs drink and pours another*


Current location: Laying low at Lupin's

Edited by - Jokelly on 07/24/2007 10:27:29
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Jokelly
Barking

USA
1509 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2007 :  10:36:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay, I'm caught up on this thread and since the firewhiskey has seeped in I'll partake of some butterbeer.

To the fallen Maurauders, may they finally find the peace they could not find here.

Twenty-three bottles of butterbeer on the wall.
Twenty-three bottles of beer!
Take one down, pass it around

Twenty-two bottles of butterbeer on the wall!


Current location: Laying low at Lupin's
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